Hey i don't rate the guy at all, but he's Clough in comparison to Souness, Boothroyd and O'Leary.

i dont think iys crazy to rule out dechamps or houllier at all , with the Youri and anelka connection , they could se it as a french old boys network.

Tony Mowbray might be alright for an outside bet. Did considerably well with Hibernian and is doing quite well with WBA. Hibernian had a low budget compared to the rest of the SPL yet he got them to play. It's not like he'll be learning to manage as he's already proven he can get the players to play for him. Whether he'll cut it at this level is a different matter but I don't think it would be an altogether bad appointment.

Mar wrote:

Tony Mowbray might be alright for an outside bet. Did considerably well with Hibernian and is doing quite well with WBA. Hibernian had a low budget compared to the rest of the SPL yet he got them to play. It's not like he'll be learning to manage as he's already proven he can get the players to play for him. Whether he'll cut it at this level is a different matter but I don't think it would be an altogether bad appointment.

Had by a fair distance the best side in the Championship last season, and failed to win promotion by a fair distance. IIRC he also had a bit of trouble handling their big names.

Tombwfc wrote:

If we, a regular top 8 side with european football and world class players, can't attract Aidy Boothroyd, we're completely fecked. I think he'd jump at the chance, not that he'd get anywhere near even an interview if i was choosing. In what way is planning for the Championship halfway through a Premiership season a redeemable quality? Or one that would be useful to us? What was his record like in his first 8 Premiership games in comparison to Sammy Lee? I agree with Ratbert that Jewell is the best of a completely talentless bunch of managers, which is quite depressing in itself.

How is that at all comparable? Boothroyd was working with a Watford squad that was already worse than Derby's is now, and he was hit by the injury of Marlon King.

His record in a short space of time is impressive in my view and I fully expect he will take Watford up again if he stays there.

Not to mention he just impresses me as an individual anyway.

Well piss on me chips you're probably right. Still wouldn't rule him out of the running though not considering our board are probably after someone who can work with a smaller budget than most.

Wouldn't mind seeing someone like Gianluca Vialli take up the position. Someone thats won something and managed at the top level in the Premiership.

Someone able to manager big profile players. Maybe a foreigner. Who knows? (hopefully the board)

Mar wrote:

Well piss on me chips you're probably right. Still wouldn't rule him out of the running though not considering our board are probably after someone who can work with a smaller budget than most. Wouldn't mind seeing someone like Gianluca Vialli take up the position. Someone thats won something and managed at the top level in the Premiership. Someone able to manager big profile players. Maybe a foreigner. Who knows? (hopefully the board)

Vialli will want and need a massive wedge to succeed, and I dont think we'll give it to him

Mowbray's an interesting shout, but as pointed out he couldn't turn around a disenchanted squad last season, to which I would add that he's only had success after shipping in (through necessity after an exodus) boatloads of players. I see unpromising parallels with our situation.

Vialli was born rich, remains rich, is described in Le Saux's current book as an icily distant manager at Chelsea and would have bankrupted Watford had they not sold their ground then leant on a near-billionaire benefactor. So no.

And again, lest you think I'm being unfair to you good good people for disagreeing with your suggestions, I have no idea who we should appoint. Which kind of explains my unhappy countenance.

Jewell is alright I suppose

but yeah this is what happens now, we're a chamionship club in all but status, its either take a championship-low prem standard manager (bit like signing mccann) or gamble on a 'young' manager who might be the biz but might be shite (bit like playing andranik)

wonder if gartside feck this one up he'll leave?

next chairman of bwfc?

Daxter wrote:

Tombwfc wrote: If we, a regular top 8 side with european football and world class players, can't attract Aidy Boothroyd, we're completely fecked. I think he'd jump at the chance, not that he'd get anywhere near even an interview if i was choosing. In what way is planning for the Championship halfway through a Premiership season a redeemable quality? Or one that would be useful to us? What was his record like in his first 8 Premiership games in comparison to Sammy Lee? I agree with Ratbert that Jewell is the best of a completely talentless bunch of managers, which is quite depressing in itself. How is that at all comparable? Boothroyd was working with a Watford squad that was already worse than Derby's is now, and he was hit by the injury of Marlon King. His record in a short space of time is impressive in my view and I fully expect he will take Watford up again if he stays there. Not to mention he just impresses me as an individual anyway.

It's not comparable, but then no jobs are. If we're going that route we're not Wigan and so Jewells achievements are irrelevant, and so on and so forth. Thus, we may aswell draw the next managers name out of a hat.

Simply, despite obviously being a different (and worse) team, he did nothing with it to suggest he's any more qualified than Lee to manage us. And although his occaisonal funny comment after a game, and the fact he looks as though he could hand out a right bollocking will impress some, i've seen nothing to suggest he has anywhere near the tactical nous to get the best out of our best assets in Anelka and Diouf. Indeed to me he just seems like a very poor mans Big Sam, which incidentally is why i could see his name on Gartsides shortlist, he just wouldn't be on mine.

[quote="officer_dibble"]Jewell is alright I suppose

but yeah this is what happens now, we're a chamionship club in all but status, its either take a championship-low prem standard manager (bit like signing mccann) or gamble on a 'young' manager who might be the biz but might be shite (bit like playing andranik)

wonder if gartside feck this one up he'll leave?

next chairman of bwfc?[/quote]

Is totally irrelevant as Gartside is little more than a glorified Chief Exec. Davies makes the calls and decisions.

There is much talk around the county town of Derbyshire that we're having the wee Jock off of them and that their having Jimmy Jewell as his replacement. I can't see it myself but The Rams boys seem convinced.

BWFC_Insane wrote:

totally irrelevant as Gartside is little more than a glorified Chief Exec. Davies makes the calls and decisions.

Does he? Davies owns 94.5% or whatever it is of the club but not all majority shareholders choose to make the calls. Some, while holding the executive veto, leave decisions to more experienced people. What's suddenly turned Davies, or for that matter Gartside?

Mar wrote:

Tony Mowbray might be alright for an outside bet. Did considerably well with Hibernian and is doing quite well with WBA. Hibernian had a low budget compared to the rest of the SPL yet he got them to play. It's not like he'll be learning to manage as he's already proven he can get the players to play for him. Whether he'll cut it at this level is a different matter but I don't think it would be an altogether bad appointment.

All Hibs' best players were sold after Mowbray, yet Collins has taken them on, if it's a Hibs manager you want, then it's Collins. Not my choice, but the better of these two.

Bruce Rioja wrote:

There is much talk around the county town of Derbyshire that we're having the wee Jock off of them and that their having Jimmy Jewell as his replacement. I can't see it myself but The Rams boys seem convinced.

Cool, my original pick. Not now I would say, he comes across as a wee nyaff, but I think also that his teams have overachieved. He gives the impression that if you don't perform you'll get a chibbing!

fatshaft wrote:

He gives the impression that if you don't perform you'll get a chibbing!

Cross him off the list then, as the events of the last couple of weeks seem to indicate that dropping underperforming players just isn't what is required of a Bolton manager.

Billy Davies?

Please no.

Bruce Rioja wrote:

There is much talk around the county town of Derbyshire that we're having the wee Jock off of them and that their having Jimmy Jewell as his replacement. I can't see it myself but The Rams boys seem convinced.

they'll never let us near the town. they still ain't forgiven us for phil brown

Daxter wrote:

Billy Davies? Please no.

Out of interest, why Boothroyd and not Davies?

Tombwfc wrote:

fatshaft wrote: He gives the impression that if you don't perform you'll get a chibbing! Cross him off the list then, as the events of the last couple of weeks seem to indicate that dropping underperforming players just isn't what is required of a Bolton manager.

Daxter wrote:

Billy Davies? Please no.

Aye, I'm kind of with you both, although at the same time, a chibbing is probably what Nolan needs.