Muamba Tribute Saturday

ohjimmyjimmy · **Posted:** Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:56 pm

Tombwfc wrote:

I'm slightly wary of anything that makes it sounds like we're competing with other clubs, or need to show that we care the most. We have nothing to prove to anyone.

Turn up, sing his name, and win, lose or draw get behind the players who'll be trying their best in unbelievably difficult circumstances.

This is my feeling, less is more as we don't want to be accused of milking it.
Unlike the fans of some other clubs, we dont want to appear to be enjoying being the focus of attention in the face of a tragedy. BUT - at the same time, everyone should be allowed pay tribute how they see fit according to what circumstances we find ourselves in on Saturday.

Though i'm dam sure that if the game goes ahead on Saturday, it will be because Fab is still with us, which for me is cause for celebration!

plymouth wanderer · **Posted:** Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:16 pm

plymouth wanderer wrote:

listen theres not much i can do from here (plymouth) i would love to attend but can't due to various reasons

so all i can do is keep my fingers crossed and if we decide to do something i will be more than happy to donate

just an idea what if we chuck in for a shirt(s) and someone buy it and sign it(with messages) on behalf of the people who put some cash in obviously it would have to be someone from around the bolton area so they can drop it off at the reebok

just an idea

anyone up for it

Dujon · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:12 am

I am, no doubt, going to make myself unpopular with my comments.

I am also sure that the vast majority of BWFC supporters are hoping that Fabrice Muambe's medical condition continues to improve. However, given that 'Moo'/'Fab' is still alive and kicking, it seems odd that some people are calling for tributes. To a certain extent it is understandable that some BWFC supporters - and even fans of other clubs - wish to express their desire for his recovery. That's all well and good.

What on this world of ours is the point of bursting into applause, remaining silent or even chanting Fabrice's name at the 41-minute mark of our next game? Will it make him recover more quickly? Do you think it will galvanize our lads into more effort? I doubt it. Perhaps it's a form of self aggrandisement, akin to being a part of a mob with a common cause and then being swept along in the emotional tide of the moment?

Judge your self.

Armchair Wanderer · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:45 am

Dujon wrote:

I am, no doubt, going to make myself unpopular with my comments.

I am also sure that the vast majority of BWFC supporters are hoping that Fabrice Muambe's medical condition continues to improve. However, given that 'Moo'/'Fab' is still alive and kicking, it seems odd that some people are calling for tributes. To a certain extent it is understandable that some BWFC supporters - and even fans of other clubs - wish to express their desire for his recovery. That's all well and good.

What on this world of ours is the point of bursting into applause, remaining silent or even chanting Fabrice's name at the 41-minute mark of our next game? Will it make him recover more quickly? Do you think it will galvanize our lads into more effort? I doubt it. Perhaps it's a form of self aggrandisement, akin to being a part of a mob with a common cause and then being swept along in the emotional tide of the moment?

Judge your self.

I think sending some kind of signal to Fab sat in the hospital that the fans are thinking of him and wish him a speedy recovery is a good thing.

I don't exactly disagree with you but I think a lot of this thread was written before he was moving/talking. Now that he's on the mend maybe it should be more of a celebration than a tribute. Just my 2c too. EDIT.. having said that the time to celebrate is maybe when he leaves hospital.

a1 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:51 am

Dujon wrote:

I am, no doubt, going to make myself unpopular with my comments.

I am also sure that the vast majority of BWFC supporters are hoping that Fabrice Muambe's medical condition continues to improve. However, given that 'Moo'/'Fab' is still alive and kicking, it seems odd that some people are calling for tributes. To a certain extent it is understandable that some BWFC supporters - and even fans of other clubs - wish to express their desire for his recovery. That's all well and good.

What on this world of ours is the point of bursting into applause, remaining silent or even chanting Fabrice's name at the 41-minute mark of our next game? Will it make him recover more quickly? Do you think it will galvanize our lads into more effort? I doubt it. Perhaps it's a form of self aggrandisement, akin to being a part of a mob with a common cause and then being swept along in the emotional tide of the moment?

Judge your self.

thebish · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:55 am

ohjimmyjimmy wrote:

Tombwfc wrote:

I'm slightly wary of anything that makes it sounds like we're competing with other clubs, or need to show that we care the most. We have nothing to prove to anyone.

Turn up, sing his name, and win, lose or draw get behind the players who'll be trying their best in unbelievably difficult circumstances.

This is my feeling, less is more as we don't want to be accused of milking it.
Unlike the fans of some other clubs, we dont want to appear to be enjoying being the focus of attention in the face of a tragedy. BUT - at the same time, everyone should be allowed pay tribute how they see fit according to what circumstances we find ourselves in on Saturday.

Though i'm dam sure that if the game goes ahead on Saturday, it will be because Fab is still with us, which for me is cause for celebration!

I think that's very well (and bravely!) put! It has given words to a slight sense of unease that I am beginning to feel now...

it's a fine line between all this (and we haven't yet crossed the line) - and becoming what we sometimes mock Liverpool fans for...

Andy Waller · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:17 am

thebish wrote:

ohjimmyjimmy wrote:

Tombwfc wrote:

I'm slightly wary of anything that makes it sounds like we're competing with other clubs, or need to show that we care the most. We have nothing to prove to anyone.

Turn up, sing his name, and win, lose or draw get behind the players who'll be trying their best in unbelievably difficult circumstances.

This is my feeling, less is more as we don't want to be accused of milking it.
Unlike the fans of some other clubs, we dont want to appear to be enjoying being the focus of attention in the face of a tragedy. BUT - at the same time, everyone should be allowed pay tribute how they see fit according to what circumstances we find ourselves in on Saturday.

Though i'm dam sure that if the game goes ahead on Saturday, it will be because Fab is still with us, which for me is cause for celebration!

I think that's very well (and bravely!) put! It has given words to a slight sense of unease that I am beginning to feel now...

it's a fine line between all this (and we haven't yet crossed the line) - and becoming what we sometimes mock Liverpool fans for...

I agree totally.

With every wellwisher comes a bandwagon jumper and with something as serious as this, that's the last thing anyone wants.

Sometimes just being there, if needed, is enough.

mummywhycantieatcrayons · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:22 am

thebish wrote:

ohjimmyjimmy wrote:

Tombwfc wrote:

I'm slightly wary of anything that makes it sounds like we're competing with other clubs, or need to show that we care the most. We have nothing to prove to anyone.

Turn up, sing his name, and win, lose or draw get behind the players who'll be trying their best in unbelievably difficult circumstances.

This is my feeling, less is more as we don't want to be accused of milking it.
Unlike the fans of some other clubs, we dont want to appear to be enjoying being the focus of attention in the face of a tragedy. BUT - at the same time, everyone should be allowed pay tribute how they see fit according to what circumstances we find ourselves in on Saturday.

Though i'm dam sure that if the game goes ahead on Saturday, it will be because Fab is still with us, which for me is cause for celebration!

I think that's very well (and bravely!) put! It has given words to a slight sense of unease that I am beginning to feel now...

it's a fine line between all this (and we haven't yet crossed the line) - and becoming what we sometimes mock Liverpool fans for...

It's a difficult one... I find the Dianafication of grief hard to get on board with generally and I agree - 'we have nothing to prove to anyone' and any undertone of revelling in the attention does make me feel uneasy too.

I quite like what I would say is the typical Boltonian response of a quiet, closed, private willing for him to pull through. I also quite like that we're clueless about making banners and the like. No surprise that the Liverpool 'you're not one of our own but you'll never walk alone' bilge was put into prodcution so quickly - do they have the printers on standby 24/7? Fine, that's their way I suppose, but I'm glad it's not ours.

ohjimmyjimmy · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:44 am

thebish wrote:

ohjimmyjimmy wrote:

Tombwfc wrote:

I'm slightly wary of anything that makes it sounds like we're competing with other clubs, or need to show that we care the most. We have nothing to prove to anyone.

Turn up, sing his name, and win, lose or draw get behind the players who'll be trying their best in unbelievably difficult circumstances.

This is my feeling, less is more as we don't want to be accused of milking it.
Unlike the fans of some other clubs, we dont want to appear to be enjoying being the focus of attention in the face of a tragedy. BUT - at the same time, everyone should be allowed pay tribute how they see fit according to what circumstances we find ourselves in on Saturday.

Though i'm dam sure that if the game goes ahead on Saturday, it will be because Fab is still with us, which for me is cause for celebration!

I think that's very well (and bravely!) put! It has given words to a slight sense of unease that I am beginning to feel now...

it's a fine line between all this (and we haven't yet crossed the line) - and becoming what we sometimes mock Liverpool fans for...

I was trying to be nice and not name names...

boltonboris · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:14 pm

I'm getting increasingly bothered by this turning into into a bit of a media circus.

Footballers and celebrities are seeming to use this awful situation for self promotion.

Journalists who were decrying Coyle as a tactically clueless manager last week are now calling him a "Teacher of the sport" and that his tactical acumen is as strong as his character.

I was touched by some of the tributes. But why is Roberto Carlos coming over with Samuel Eto'o. I get that he may be friends with Samba, but not the other 2. They'd probably never even heard of him before Saturday evening.

Yet they're coming over with a film crew in tow. Probably dressed from head to toe in Nike regalia.

boltonboris · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:19 pm

Also, the first 2 paragraphs of the skippers' wife's article in the Independent.

This is a genuine quote.

"Bolton, a town 10 miles north west of Manchester, has a population of 263,700 and is my family's adopted home. Almost every Boltonian, most notably Vernon Kay, is extremely proud of what Bolton Wanderers has achieved since climbing to Premier league status in 2001"

1) What has Vernon Kay got to do with it? he's not mentioned anywhere else in the article, nor is there any quote attributed to him. (I think it's just a 'yes, me and Vernon are friends, he's famous you know)

2) Bolton has been proud of Bolton Wanderers since 1877, not since 2001.

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I will add, though, that Coyle, Gartside and Davies have been excellent throughout this. They've been quiet, respectful and dignified. Which is more than a lot.

ohjimmyjimmy · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:22 pm

Agree, 100%.
Not that im arsed about public opinion so much, but this is the sort of situation where you do get a turning point in the way it's viewed, and the media circus is in danger of reaching that turning point where sympathies become annoyance.

I'm not saying that we're in any way encouraging this, its just a bandwagon people are jumping on and while at first it was nice, touching, that was when it was genuine and based on instant emotion.

50sQuiff · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:29 pm

boltonboris wrote:

I'm getting increasingly bothered by this turning into into a bit of a media circus.

Footballers and celebrities are seeming to use this awful situation for self promotion.

Journalists who were decrying Coyle as a tactically clueless manager last week are now calling him a "Teacher of the sport" and that his tactical acumen is as strong as his character.

I was touched by some of the tributes. But why is Roberto Carlos coming over with Samuel Eto'o. I get that he may be friends with Samba, but not the other 2. They'd probably never even heard of him before Saturday evening.

Yet they're coming over with a film crew in tow. Probably dressed from head to toe in Nike regalia.

There is a very dark side to all of this, isn't there? I'm trying not to dwell on it, but after getting over the initial shock a sense of unease has set in. That and a continued desire for the man to get better.

ohjimmyjimmy · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:33 pm

I kinda feel like everyone is intruding on our club now, strange i know. But now everyone has shown their support, i want them all to bugger off so we can get on with getting him better.

boltonboris · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:35 pm

That's it.. I couldn't give a fvck who says what. As long as he gets better, then that's all that matters.

Despite what the Beeb and Skysports have to say on the matter, getting a tweet from Wayne Rooney or a text message from David Beckham, is having no spiritual effect on his recovery.

It's sad to see that our contry's celebrity obsessed media is as interested in Ashley Cole turning up at the hospital as they are about the medical staff who work there.

I'm probably being a little bit harsh, but I don't want the clubs' fans to milk this in any way. Let's keep our dignity.

Verbal · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:40 pm

If people are trying to generate PR from this then shame on them.

But there have been enough good will messages from 'regular' football followers around the globe to know where the heart of the matter really lies. With this in mind I honestly couldn't care less about what the 'papers are saying and about people whose opinions are foisted upon us. It shouldn't matter. To be honest it doesn;t.

Enough of us, well basically everyone, knows that Fab getting better is the priority. Not name-dropping, not having a dick-waving contest to see who cares the most. It's just the caring that counts.

So people should do what they wish to on Saturday, should the game be on. If making a mosaic fills you with comfort, then fine. If you want to sing yourself hoarse then be my guest. If you want to sit with your hands clasped and speak a prayer then that is great too. We shouldn't beat ourselves with a stick over this, because in times like this it's best to let people get through it in their way, staff and fans alike.

We all want Fab to get better, so let's not bother disagreeing over which path to take to show this.

TANGODANCER · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:42 pm

Normality is the way forward. It happened and the response has been enormous and gratifying, but Bolton live on just being Bolton and the sooner we get back to that now,the better. Fabrice Muamba is a footballer, Bolton Wanderers are a football team and, just like Muamba we have to recover and fight on. We won't, and don't want to do that on sympathy or pity. Thanks to the world for its humanity, a prayer of thanks for a life saved, but now for us and Fabrice the fight needs to go on. I'm sure he would want it no other way.

COME ON YOU WHITES.

Bruce Rioja · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:55 pm

Verbal wrote:

So people should do what they wish to on Saturday, should the game be on. If making a mosaic fills you with comfort, then fine. If you want to sing yourself hoarse then be my guest. If you want to sit with your hands clasped and speak a prayer then that is great too. We shouldn't beat ourselves with a stick over this, because in times like this it's best to let people get through it in their way, staff and fans alike.

We all want Fab to get better, so let's not bother disagreeing over which path to take to show this.

Sage words indeed, Verbal. :oyea:

thebish · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:56 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:

Verbal wrote:

So people should do what they wish to on Saturday, should the game be on. If making a mosaic fills you with comfort, then fine. If you want to sing yourself hoarse then be my guest. If you want to sit with your hands clasped and speak a prayer then that is great too. We shouldn't beat ourselves with a stick over this, because in times like this it's best to let people get through it in their way, staff and fans alike.

We all want Fab to get better, so let's not bother disagreeing over which path to take to show this.

Sage words indeed, Verbal. :oyea:

who's making the mosaic? that sounds cool!!

Athers · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:56 pm

I've found the worldwide support very positive myself.

Heart trouble to players is something which is raw in Spain: See Ruben de la Red, Dani Jarque & Antonio Puerta all relatively recently. This is why Real Madrid (de la Red) and Iniesta (Jarque's best mate) thought to show support of some kind.

People like Eto'o, Essien & Adebayor are senior pros and ambassadors for African football so fair dos they want to wish him well.

What we want to do on Saturday - Verbal put it well.

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