Prufrock wrote:What do you reckon it is Bish? You've made a point of it not all being 4-5-1. A point overly made, but fair enough. You also said it is down to the players. Not trying hard enough, or not being good enough? Having chosen one, how is that not the managers fault.
I've said it is a combination of things - poor manager decisions - players not delivering as they could.
the manager chooses within his budget - which hasn't been great - so I'd hesitate to blame Coyle too much for the squad.
I still think the squad we have is good enough to survive - that'll be down to them AND coyle AND other clubs doing worse AND us not having too much shoite luck AND no more major injuries... - as it pretty much always is.
not really sure what your point is....
2 weeks ago it was argued that it was NOT the players - JUST the formation. My point has always been that it is just never as simple as that.
do you disagree or something?
yeah - coyle chose pratley - but at the time - even BWFCi was saying that having Pratley would mean that Holden was not such a big loss... on the budget we have you have to take gambles on players - Pratley was one - there will be others... sometimes it'll come off - sometimes it won't.
PS - not sure where you get the idea that I think Coyle is not performing poorly
PPS - saying we are opunching above our weight is NOT the same as "accepting our place"
PPPS - I was personally one of the people who delivered that challenge to Lawro and subsequently watched live (along with DSB) as he had his tache removed - where were you???
Probably at home making my own equally storming contribution to us staying up
. I'm not sure why you seem to be be getting touchy, maybe you aren't, maybe it's understandable frustration at us doing shoite, but I'm not suggesting you care less, or are even are resigned to us going down. I'm just saying that you keep arguing against people who lay the blame solely at the door of Coyle. I'd say they are exaggerating and don't really mean it, but I know you like to be pedantic (
) so, my point is, factoring in their hyperbolic tendencies, let's say people are suggesting many factors are contributing, but the biggest, most easily identifiable, and most culpable is the poor performance of the manager. Do you agree, or do you think our Owen's cluelessness is a mere hindrance compared to our other limitations?
Either way, my point is, of course, there are many factors contributing to our shoiteness, but the most important, and the most easily influenced are down to the manager, who is consistently getting it wrong. I accept we are working on a limited budget, but so are many others. I accept injuries have played a part, but I still maintain that this group of players should be good enough to stay up.
I don't think anyone was seriously suggesting the sole and only cause of our problems was playing 4-4-2. Carried away with the hyperbole fairies. But a combination of that, and picking an immobile front-line with an out-of-form Kevin Davies and consistently taking off Muamba combined together meant the manager wasn't giving his players the best chance of victory, which ultimately is his job.
Folk have talked about the players, but no matter how you cut it, other than if our budget means we can't get good enough players, and our past performances, plus those of Norwich and Swansea show that isn't true, then that is the managers fault. He bought 'em, and he picks them. In too many cases, Robbo and SKD being the glaring examples, it has taken far too long for that to sink in.
As for Pratley, I saw quite a bit of him last year, and he looked good in that Swansea team. I like BWFCi thought he'd be a good signing. It seems pretty clear to me now that he absolutely isn't good enough for this level. Nothing wrong with the gamble, it's the keep playing him when he clearly isn't good enough that is the problem.
The comment about accepting our place wasn't aimed at you, but by the time I'd written it you'd posted something that made it look like it was. Some folk have talked about laws of averages, and the inevitability of it all in a fashion that evokes meek surrender. I don't even accept we are 'punching above our weight'. Historically we are (I think) 12th in the all time table. I'd be very surprised if our income wasn't bigger than Wigan, Norwich, Swansea, similar to Wolves. Bigger than Fulham, QPR and probably Stoke (though they all have benefactors). No one has a right to a place in the top flight, but after this long we should have lost the feeling of being lucky to be here!
You Corbyn folk who hoped he'd step down for a younger, more electable lefty...that's what this is, without the stepping down. Sort it out.