Farewell to Steve Jobs

bobo the clown · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:35 am

My problem with Apple is the sheer hypocritical cynicism behind their market plan.

Good, yes .... superb marketing, yes. Job et-al have been fantastic buinessmen, but if you don't join in they squash the life out of you. Utter monopolistic abuse in their attempt for World domination.

So, their Apps, their MP4 (4, not 3 .... therefore not easily transferable) music system, their connectivity are all unique to Apple products. Try finding a converter .... no chucking-fance. Transfer an i-tune 5 times and then you can't do so any more, you're tune is blocked. Go into any high street tech store and music systems, radio's etc., etc almost all have i-phone/i-player connection points ... useless if that's not what you have.

No-one else can get a look in.

Their dominance is rapidly confirmed by legal action. None of this would be a problem had they not squealed like stuck pigs when microsoft appeared to be doing the very same to them. Now they are at it again with HTC & Samsung.

Their products are rarely the actual best ..... just the best marketed , the most (forced) compatibity and certainly the most all pervasive.

Nonetheless Mr Jobs did great work and most certainly changed the World.

Worthy4England · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:51 am

bobo the clown wrote:

would be a problem had they not squealed like stuck pigs when microsoft appeared to be doing the very same to them. Now they are at it again with HTC & Samsung.

Their products are rarely the actual best ..... just the best marketed , the most (forced) compatibity and certainly the most all pervasive.

Nonetheless Mr Jobs did great work and most certainly changed.

Let's be honest here Bobo, Microsoft are hardly angels when it comes to trying to make stuff that works with nowt else...and squealed about it for years when people said 'that's not good'. All Apple did was apply the same model to different markets. Microsoft are evil.

bobo the clown · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:54 am

Worthy4England wrote:

Let's be honest here Bobo, Microsoft are hardly angels when it comes to trying to make stuff that works with nowt else...and squealed about it for years when people said 'that's not good'. All Apple did was apply the same model to different markets. Microsoft are evil.

No arguement from me ... I just see them both the same. Except one seems to be near sanctified while the other vilified.

thebish · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:01 pm

if one has to attach the word "evil" to either - then I am with Bobo that it should be both....

microsoft = blatant evil
Apple = smug evil

CrazyHorse · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:08 pm

I'm not sure either of them are evil. They're just y'know trying to protect their business interests and deliver profits to maximise their stock value.

Jobs and Gates are just examples of why you should never give spotty, geeky unpopular kids with zero success with women so much money (and therefore power) because they're clueless what to do with it. I say that as a genuine admirer of both men.

And you can include that round rimmed four eyed fella at google and that curly haired virgin at facebook too.

boltonboris · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:17 pm

CrazyHorse wrote:

I'm not sure either of them are evil. They're just y'know trying to protect their business interests and deliver profits to maximise their stock value.

Jobs and Gates are just examples of why you should never give spotty, geeky unpopular kids with zero success with women so much money (and therefore power) because they're clueless what to do with it. I say that as a genuine admirer of both men.

And you can include that round rimmed four eyed fella at google and that curly haired virgin at facebook too.

I wouldn't know either, if they came up to me in the street and slapped me with a massive sign saying "Hi, I'm an internet bazillionaire"

Lord Kangana · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:20 pm

I think you would after that, to be fair.

thebish · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:22 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:

I think you would after that, to be fair.

he'd have to change his status then...

Worthy4England · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:22 pm

Microsoft are the devil, I tell you... :-)

When the day of judgement comes, people with Microsoft tech will be pushing brimstone around for eternity.

Lord Kangana · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:23 pm

Is there an app for that?

Gooner Girl · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:33 pm

thebish wrote:

do these i-phones come with a handy tool to get stones out of horses hooves?

if not - I'm sticking with my swiss army knife.

When was the last time you got a stone out of a horses hoof?! You don't even like horses! :mrgreen:

Worthy4England · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:35 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:

Is there an app for that?

Aye.

www.hmrc.gov.uk/online tax return.

thebish · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:42 pm

Gooner Girl wrote:

thebish wrote:

do these i-phones come with a handy tool to get stones out of horses hooves?

if not - I'm sticking with my swiss army knife.

When was the last time you got a stone out of a horses hoof?! You don't even like horses! :mrgreen:

what about a corkscrew? has the i-phone got a corkscrew? or a bottle opener?

bobo the clown · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:45 pm

thebish wrote:

Gooner Girl wrote:

thebish wrote:

do these i-phones come with a handy tool to get stones out of horses hooves?

if not - I'm sticking with my swiss army knife.

When was the last time you got a stone out of a horses hoof?! You don't even like horses! :mrgreen:

what about a corkscrew? has the i-phone got a corkscrew? or a bottle opener?

If it did it would be an i-corkscew for pulling specially shaped i-corks that no other corkscew could manage.

Gooner Girl · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:48 pm

thebish wrote:

Gooner Girl wrote:

thebish wrote:

do these i-phones come with a handy tool to get stones out of horses hooves?

if not - I'm sticking with my swiss army knife.

When was the last time you got a stone out of a horses hoof?! You don't even like horses! :mrgreen:

what about a corkscrew? has the i-phone got a corkscrew? or a bottle opener?

Yes, both

BWFC_Insane · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:48 pm

There is a difference IMO between Apple and Microsoft.

Apple deliberately, make systems and standalone products to use for that purpose and that alone. They don't say that your iPad should be able to interface with a whole load of other tech, or that iTunes is designed for anything other than downloading songs from in a certain format (I hate iTunes but there you go....). iTunes is easy to use for a basic user. Couldn't be easier. Stores the music so it can be found, played etc. I'm not sure they ever wanted or said that it would be easy to take stuff from iTunes and play it elsewhere, and the same in reverse!

Microsoft lay claim to a whole lot of compatibility and interoperability that often works only in the perfect case. I'm no technical expert, W4E can say if I'm off the mark.

Athers · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:51 pm

Thought this was interesting

http://www.economist.com/node/21525685

Add in that networks fall over themselves trying to sell the thing and its no wonder they're the 2nd biggest firm in the world.

bobo the clown · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:58 pm

Athers .... it might be if I could make head or tail of it !!

What's it telling us ?

thebish · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:00 pm

bobo the clown wrote:

thebish wrote:

Gooner Girl wrote:

thebish wrote:

do these i-phones come with a handy tool to get stones out of horses hooves?

if not - I'm sticking with my swiss army knife.

When was the last time you got a stone out of a horses hoof?! You don't even like horses! :mrgreen:

what about a corkscrew? has the i-phone got a corkscrew? or a bottle opener?

If it did it would be an i-corkscew for pulling specially shaped i-corks that no other corkscew could manage.

keveh · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:03 pm

boltonboris wrote:

The only things that are much more expensive than the other competitors products are the Laptops and PC's. iPods, iPads, iPhones etc.. Are all around about the same price. In fact, I'd wager that a new iPhone would be cheaper than the latest Nokia

You'd be wrong.

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