The Great Art Debate

mummywhycantieatcrayons · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:33 am

So... the Scream is exhibited for 7 days in London this week: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9bb481ea-84ae ... z1ruT1kJ2Y

I think I might try and go for a quick look.

It's difficult to describe why the image is so striking and evocative(although there have been some good attempts on this page!). There is something about it that clearly resonates with a lot of people as there can't be many more famous paintings from the past 150 years.

thebish · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:10 am

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

So... the Scream is exhibited for 7 days in London this week: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9bb481ea-84ae ... z1ruT1kJ2Y

I think I might try and go for a quick look.

It's difficult to describe why the image is so striking and evocative(although there have been some good attempts on this page!). There is something about it that clearly resonates with a lot of people as there can't be many more famous paintings from the past 150 years.

you have to register for that link... where?? when??

mummywhycantieatcrayons · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:13 am

thebish wrote:

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

So... the Scream is exhibited for 7 days in London this week: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9bb481ea-84ae ... z1ruT1kJ2Y

I think I might try and go for a quick look.

It's difficult to describe why the image is so striking and evocative(although there have been some good attempts on this page!). There is something about it that clearly resonates with a lot of people as there can't be many more famous paintings from the past 150 years.

you have to register for that link... where?? when??

Sotheby's in Mayfair.

Actually it's just today and the weekend.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/ ... sfeed=true

mummywhycantieatcrayons · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:16 am

Looks to be a great sale - I hope all the main pieces will be in London before they go to NY.

thebish · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:20 am

Quote:

Philip Hook, senior specialist at the auction house, said: "In terms of the fame and the familiarity of the image, I think this is the most important picture that Sotheby's have ever sold. Short of selling the Mona Lisa, I do not think there is another image that transcends its original function as a work of art in a way that The Scream does.

"It is the ultimate image of angst and anxiety. It's an image of modern man's alienation – the face that launched a thousand therapists. In a sense it is the whole beginning of modern man's fascination with his own emotions."

good claims for "great art"....

mummywhycantieatcrayons · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:25 am

To be fair, he is trying to get £50million for the thing!

thebish · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:42 am

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

To be fair, he is trying to get £50million for the thing!

Bruce Rioja · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:55 am

thebish wrote:

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

To be fair, he is trying to get £50million for the thing!

It'll go for more than that. £85m I reckon.

TANGODANCER · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:04 pm

Quote:

"It is the ultimate image of angst and anxiety. It's an image of modern man's alienation – the face that launched a thousand therapists. "

Considering Munch painted four versions, the first and last 17 years apart, he must have been one miseable sod, superceded only by the silly fxcker who'll pay multi- millions to own it. Dear me. :lol:

Bruce Rioja · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:12 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:

Quote:

"It is the ultimate image of angst and anxiety. It's an image of modern man's alienation – the face that launched a thousand therapists. "

Considering Munch painted four versions, the first and last 17 years apart, he must have been one miseable sod, superceded only by the silly fxcker who'll pay multi- millions to own it. Dear me. :lol:

Does that alter the fact that it remains the ultimate image of angst and anxiety? I think not.

thebish · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:15 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:

TANGODANCER wrote:

Quote:

"It is the ultimate image of angst and anxiety. It's an image of modern man's alienation – the face that launched a thousand therapists. "

Considering Munch painted four versions, the first and last 17 years apart, he must have been one miseable sod, superceded only by the silly fxcker who'll pay multi- millions to own it. Dear me. :lol:

Does that alter the fact that it remains the ultimate image of angst and anxiety? I think not.

nope. it just reinforces the idea that Tango appears to regard people who don't happen to agree with his own "just my opinion" view and worth of art are "silly fxckers", even if he doesn't yet know who they are!!

mummywhycantieatcrayons · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:28 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:

thebish wrote:

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

To be fair, he is trying to get £50million for the thing!

It'll go for more than that. £85m I reckon.

I actually don't think so.

One of the painted versions might fetch that, but this is only pastel.

None of the big galleries are spending that kind of cash at the moment, but it could be interesting if some oil money gets thrown at it with a couple of determined bidders.

Bruce Rioja · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:33 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

Bruce Rioja wrote:

thebish wrote:

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

To be fair, he is trying to get £50million for the thing!

It'll go for more than that. £85m I reckon.

I actually don't think so.

One of the painted versions might fetch that, but this is only pastel.

None of the big galleries are spending that kind of cash at the moment, but it could be interesting if some oil money gets thrown at it with a couple of determined bidders.

Well, let's see.

thebish · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:35 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

Bruce Rioja wrote:

thebish wrote:

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

To be fair, he is trying to get £50million for the thing!

It'll go for more than that. £85m I reckon.

I actually don't think so.

One of the painted versions might fetch that, but this is only pastel.

None of the big galleries are spending that kind of cash at the moment, but it could be interesting if some oil money gets thrown at it with a couple of determined bidders.

Well, let's see.

and no shill-bidding, bruce, to prove mummy wrong! :wink:

TANGODANCER · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:30 pm

thebish wrote:

nope. it just reinforces the idea that Tango appears to regard people who don't happen to agree with his own "just my opinion" view and worth of art are "silly fxckers", [b]even if he doesn't yet know who they are[/b]!!

Er, no, not quite. We were discussing one painting, and whoever pays that sort of money; it's immaterial in knowing who they are or not. However, I'll withdraw my "just my opinion" view in the light of your own all-seeing, all-knowing, batter everybody over the head until they agree, one then. Not much point in having an opinion against such omnipotence really, is there?

Carry on screaming. :wink:

thebish · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:46 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:

thebish wrote:

nope. it just reinforces the idea that Tango appears to regard people who don't happen to agree with his own "just my opinion" view and worth of art are "silly fxckers", [b]even if he doesn't yet know who they are[/b]!!

Er, no, not quite. We were discussing one painting, and whoever pays that sort of money; it's immaterial in knowing who they are or not. However, I'll withdraw my "just my opinion" view in the light of your own all-seeing, all-knowing, batter everybody over the head until they agree, one then. Not much point in having an opinion against such omnipotence really, is there?

Carry on screaming. :wink:

I'm not calling ANYONE a silly fxcker...

mummywhycantieatcrayons · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:47 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

Bruce Rioja wrote:

thebish wrote:

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

To be fair, he is trying to get £50million for the thing!

It'll go for more than that. £85m I reckon.

I actually don't think so.

One of the painted versions might fetch that, but this is only pastel.

None of the big galleries are spending that kind of cash at the moment, but it could be interesting if some oil money gets thrown at it with a couple of determined bidders.

Well, let's see.

Go on, I'll bet you a tenner it doesn't go for more than £60million?

mummywhycantieatcrayons · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:21 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

William the White wrote:

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

Interesting article on the front page of the FT arts section today about John Berger's seminal TV series 'Ways of Seeing', first shown in 1972 and about to enjoy a screening at the BFI in April. Any of our left-leaning art lovers remember this from first time round?

I hear a call from afar...

It's fab...

The book from the series remains on the reading list of many a Uni art department - including my daughter's (Lancaster). We have two copies here - mine and my wife's. Purchased before we met.

Do not miss. What is the date - I might come down myself.

FT says it's being shown 3-17 April at BFI Southbank - let me know if you're coming down. Plenty else to see at the moment too - Picasso, Freud, Hockney...

Completely ballsed this up... the couple of sources I read seemed to suggest that the Berger four-part series would be screened throughout the two weeks, when if fact it was shown just once, on the 4th April, with other bits and pieces about Berger on the other dates.

Bruce Rioja · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:47 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

Go on, I'll bet you a tenner it doesn't go for more than £60million?

Crumpets. jam and tea at Hoylake says it gets £85M ;-)

William the White · **Posted:** Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:52 pm

Apart from The Scream I hardly knew Munch's work at all.

Prompted by this thread I've been taking a look around. He was absolutely brilliant. One os the most emotionally powerful artists I've ever come across.

A very good reason for a weekend in Oslo...

http://www.nasjonalmuseet.no/en/collect ... al_museum/

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