With Lee and Holden in the team, I can see the arguement that we might've gotten the extra two points we needed to stay up, although I'm sure a lot of teams would feel they'd have been better off if they had certain players available (if Djibril Cisse hadn't got himself sent off twice, QPR would've probably accumulated more points).

Some things you can't control, some things you can. For the first half of the season we had available to us one of the top tackling midfielders of the previous season, and a centre-half who would eventually win the Champions League... we didn't bother playing the former and still shipped two goals a game. Then came January where we decided we missed Holden and Lee so much we'd replace them with a 19-year-old on loan and a new fourth choice striker who cost more than Stuey and Chungy combined.

Which brings us back to the original subject of the thread, where the manager claimed that the 10 Premier League games we played (in seven weeks or so) following Muamba's collapse, would've been too 'stop-start' a run to play Sordell in, due to the one cup game we also had to fulfil in that period. Also, the sparkling form of Ivan Klasnic and David Ngog, who both scored one league goal following Sordell's arrival.

So, the lesson's he's learnt so far have led to him ;

offering Knight a new contract
offering (S)KD a new contract
looking to re-loan Ryo
a bllx 'explanation' about not playing Sordell
not moving Heaven & Earth to keep NRC (or at least bust a gut trying)

None of this is promising.

... & these are just the ones we've seen.


Injuries, bad luck & strong competitors can't be avoided.
Simple organisation, defending set pieces, having your healthy players fit enough to compete ARE in his control. Have we heard about him reviewing his coaching staff ? His fitness team ? His motivation skills ? Not a word.

There is NOTHING to suggest he's learnt, nothing at all.

OK, that's it on this subject from me. Time will show whether next season is better. Time will prove that he won't cut it even if we do go back up.

LOLZ!!

It's a results based industry and if you're producing results, the media will take notice. They praised Coyle highly because he was producing results for a club which were certain to go down when he took over. The media don't need to watch 90 minutes to see how Coyle's team plays. It's all about the results and the fact is, he was successful for us until the FA Cup semi.
Should I ask the Burnley fans who got them into the Premier League for the first time in 33 years? Or who took them to their highest league finish?

Even the most ardent Coyle hater on the Burnley forums wouldn't deny Coyle was successful for them. If he wasn't, why would they hate him for leaving them? If he was taking them down anyway, they would be thankful he left.
Had we scored one more goal on the last day, those "observant" posters would have been wrong. We went down but it was incredibly fine.



By the way, what's all this "astute fan", "observant posters" nonsense about? Along the lines of 'I'm right and anyone who disagrees is a moron', right?

Early comments and actions do not seems to suggest we will see anything different from clueless. He demonstrated stubborness and more disturbing that he didn't take responsibility when his tactics didn't work rather blame on players. Example playing whether as right back and he got a red.

He did not seems to learn the lesson quick enough last reason while amatuers in this forum seems to be spot on with their observations.

That is simply not true and you know it. We had 18 points from 18 game, were third bottom with two games in hand when Megson was sacked. That is not 'certain to go down' in anyone's book.

I've said all I needed to say on this.

Come on coyle most of us are behind you.
Mistakes are made and that's why we get second chances.

Let's enjoy next season! Good luck to sordell.

Aye, Sordell is proven in this league aslong as he's playing he will get goals.

yeah that coyle quote has me cringing. he talks some utter sh*t at times. c*nt.

With all this talk about Sordell netting does anyone know somewhere on the internet I can put a tenner down on Ngog scoring 10+ next year?

Probably shite odds but I always do a 'heart over head' bet each season and thought it was as good as any

he'll get 11 before august is out.

You're way out of touch

Is your name Owen?

Just asking a reasonable question now but how would most react if Owen did take us back up?

I'd love it. I think he's out of his depth, I think he's a poor manager and I think he should have been sacked in November BUT if he can learn from his mistakes and take us back up I'm willing to let bygones be bygones. Much better Coyle than a Megson.

Though I do think he'll have us wallowing in midtable come November.

I'd be fecking delighted as would most fans.

I still like the guy, I think he has the right intentions and enthusiasm but I don't think he has the tactical knowledge to make what he wants to do successful. I really, really want it to work out for him because he's still well liked amongst a lot of the fans and I couldn't hack another Megson type where the fans are straight on the manager's back as soon as something goes wrong.

This

Indeed, ill discipline is a controlable factor, freak injuries are not. Coyle well may have been shit with his tactics, but when your 2 best midfielders are out for the season, at a club with comparable resources to ours (not top , it has a massive impact. Whether you believe it would have been inspite of Coyle is immaterial, with those two we would have had no legitimate excuses. Save for perhaps the freak heart attack on the pitch of one of our better players. Though Coyle may disagree on the latter point.

Given Coyle has already said we are not selling anyone, a stance reinforced by his right hand man and the BN today, we should have our best two players back a league below next season.

By your logic we should be straight back up no worries. Given how those two would have kept us up last season in a higher league.

I hoe you are right then....

I hope we're all right. Coyle is still a 'young' manager, experience wise.

Durrr, apart from all the released players and NRC.