Tim Ream - We owe him a honeymoon.

bobo the clown · **Posted:** Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:11 pm

This is all very simple .... he has said he felt lonely, lost & isolated in those first few weeks.

If so, then we fckd up looking after him.

End ... as the kids say .... of.

Dartisan · **Posted:** Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:18 pm

wanderers_on_tour wrote:

TANGODANCER wrote:

a1 wrote:

yeah , but he's a grown man , in a hotel in a first world country who's language he speaks.
it werent like they parachuted a six year old into the jungle with only a penknife.

Have to agree with this to some extent. A well-paid player who lives, temporarily, in a first class hotel with a restaurant and could surely arrange his meals there or at least explain the problem to the club. I just cannot believe they'd just ignore him. There are pubs with food,, McDonalds, said Nandos and a supermarket selling multiple sandwiches on his doorstep and it was a very temporary arrangement anyway. Not like he's snow-bound in a cottage on top of Winter Hill.

I've never stayed at De Vere's but I imagine they do pretty decent catering n all? Room service perhaps?

Yup they do, and I thought the restaurant was alright when I ate there.

We've still got a Player Liaison Officer, Dean Brooke. We've had him for a few seasons too by the looks of things (he was here when Tamir Cohen was at least) so I wouldn't be surprised if he was brought in by Big Sam and has stayed.

I think this is being overplayed a tad to be honest. Ream probably just didn't feel like asking the club to organise dinner for him, as he's a grown man. He just got a bit bored of the same Middlebrook options week after week.

Dartisan · **Posted:** Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:28 pm

bobo the clown wrote:

This is all very simple .... he has said he felt lonely, lost & isolated in those first few weeks.

If so, then we fckd up looking after him.

End ... as the kids say .... of.

I bet he didn't say any such thing to the staff. He was probably trying to act all strong and sturdy through a time of real change. I'm not too sure what the club would do, send him an escort for company? :conf:

Hire a magician to keep him entertained?
I'm sure he was involved in all of the club activities and we do have some welcoming players I'm sure, SKD probably invited him round for dinner at some point...I expect...maybe. :conf:

Meh, he's doin' 'reet now.

Bijou Bob · **Posted:** Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:40 pm

I'm not sure we owe him a honeymoon, but even if the club did cough up for 2 weeks in Aruba, could he guarantee his girlfriend that he wouldn't just walk off and leave her standing all on her own, in a very vulnerable position about to be shafted. Judging by the way he dealt with Bendtner yesterday, its a tough one to call.

Dave Sutton's barnet · **Posted:** Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:42 pm

Didn't Okocha himself almost leave, homesick, in that first few months?

But yeah, everyone at the club now is a dullard and they're doing it on purpose.

It's a weird thread when A1's the plain voice of common sense.

Bruce Rioja · **Posted:** Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:41 pm

DeVere do the nosebag for the Platinum Suite. It's fecking dreadful! :hang:

Anyway, there's a Greenhalgh's on CNR.

bobo the clown · **Posted:** Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:15 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:

DeVere do the nosebag for the Platinum Suite. It's fecking dreadful! :hang:

Anyway, there's a Greenhalgh's on CNR.

But I couldn't tske him there .... being barred .... for life.

50sQuiff · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:17 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:

Didn't Okocha himself almost leave, homesick, in that first few months?

But yeah, everyone at the club now is a dullard and they're doing it on purpose.

It's a weird thread when A1's the plain voice of common sense.

Yeah, that's exactly what happened with Okocha. And we let it continue with all our other key signings didn't we...

Oh, you mean we didn't?

As you well know, we were famed for our holistic approach to managing our key assets in a more sophisticated way than our rivals. Our players' fitness, motivation and concentration in the Big Sam era were incredible, when you look back on it. But performances and anecdotal evidence suggests that this is no longer the case.

Eating Nando's is in itself inhumane. Letting an expensive elite athlete feel lousy and eat fast food on Middlebrook for a month is absolutely laughable. But in any case, no-one is suggesting everyone at the club is a dullard and being so on purpose. What a strange thing to say.

What might be missing, though, is someone with foresight and an appreciation for sports science/psychology, willing to instruct his Director of Operations (or whatever) that he should get some funds from Gartside and prioritise player conditioning and welfare. Something a bit less rudimentary than "putting a shift in" followed by a game of table tennis perhaps?

Now you could say none of this matters, but you're probably wrong. It's not just our tactical acumen that's dropped off in recent seasons. We know Allardyce studied this stuff for years before properly implementing it at Bolton. We know he went to America to learn about modern sports management. I'd be interested to hear Coyle's perspective on the subject.

Dave Sutton's barnet · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:47 pm

Some fair points, but I tire of the rose-tinted view of the Allardyce era and the frequently concurrent knocking of the current set-up. There were games under Sam in which our half-arsed players languidly chased shadows; you'd now think we were 10-foot tin supermen winning every challenge. There were terrible runs in which we couldn't win so much as a corner, AND the football was terrible: a sort of Megson-Coyle mash-up of the worst kind. And I hate to think what would have been said about the man-management genius of either the incumbent or his predecessor had he laid off legends like Okocha without even the chance to wave farewell.

Yes, it's sad that Tim Ream was a bit lonely. It's worrying that he didn't have the wherewithal to ask somebody about it.

As for Allardyce, there's good and bad in every era, despite the tendency to paint everything as black or white. I'm not being contrary enough to say that we didn't do things well under Sam, but the constant harping on about How Everything Was Better In The Old Days comes over like a cross between the tap room and the nursing home.

Here's some uncomfortable suggestions; y'all can do with them as you please.

1. Rarely a man with great fondness of (or success in) the January window, Allardyce would have struggled to keep us up had he inherited the situation Megson did.

2. Given the financial constraints Coyle is now under, Allardyce would have walked out. In fact, come to think of it, when times weren't nearly so hard he did so anyway. So much for the golden era.

TANGODANCER · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:51 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:

but the constant harping on about How Everything Was Better In The Old Days comes over like a cross between the tap room and the nursing home.

Ageist!

Dave Sutton's barnet · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:55 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:

but the constant harping on about How Everything Was Better In The Old Days comes over like a cross between the tap room and the nursing home.

Ageist!

Now now, TD, you know what the doc said about waving your stick around... :wink:

TANGODANCER · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:06 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:

TANGODANCER wrote:

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:

but the constant harping on about How Everything Was Better In The Old Days comes over like a cross between the tap room and the nursing home.

Ageist!

Now now, TD, you know what the doc said about waving your stick around... :wink:

Aye, he said: "Don't wave it around, crack em across the shins with it" :lol:

Montreal Wanderer · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:14 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:

I'm not being contrary enough to say that we didn't do things well under Sam, but the constant harping on about How Everything Was Better In The Old Days comes over like a cross between the tap room and the nursing home.

Here's some uncomfortable suggestions; y'all can do with them as you please.

1. Rarely a man with great fondness of (or success in) the January window, Allardyce would have struggled to keep us up had he inherited the situation Megson did.

Back in my day, Sonny, I'm sure journalistic use of prepositions was better. They might have been fond of flowing football, but I think they had a greater fondness for winning. Harumph!

Mar · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:28 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:

1. Rarely a man with great fondness of (or success in) the January window, Allardyce would have struggled to keep us up had he inherited the situation Megson did.

2. Given the financial constraints Coyle is now under, Allardyce would have walked out. In fact, come to think of it, when times weren't nearly so hard he did so anyway. So much for the golden era.

Regarding 1.: I severly doubt that. Not only was Allardyce an adequate tactician and fairly good at man managing but he also didn't create the divide between the fans and the team. I'd argue that we'd've been more than safe under Big Sam, plus we wouldn't have been throwing away 2 goal leads as often. There was major work to be done no doubt about that but I think he'd've coped better than Meggers.

Regarding 2.: More than likely. It would've been interesting knowing the situation he was in back then. The markets much different now from the looks of it. Not as many freebies coming in.

All in all. Allardici wasn't our savour. He was a good manager for a club like ours in the market we were in at the time. Times have moved on, the market is harder to work in and money is needed.

Back on topic. Tim Ream can hopefully enjoy a honeymoon when summer arrives.

thebish · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:42 pm

Montreal Wanderer wrote:

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:

I'm not being contrary enough to say that we didn't do things well under Sam, but the constant harping on about How Everything Was Better In The Old Days comes over like a cross between the tap room and the nursing home.

Here's some uncomfortable suggestions; y'all can do with them as you please.

1. Rarely a man with great fondness of (or success in) the January window, Allardyce would have struggled to keep us up had he inherited the situation Megson did.

Back in my day, Sonny, I'm sure journalistic use of prepositions was better. They might have been fond of flowing football, but I think they had a greater fondness for winning. Harumph!

Would they also have written "sonny" with a capital "s"? :wink:

n035209 · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:45 pm

Firstly, Hes a big boy and Im sure he will have coped.

It doesnt matter now anyway, his wife is here and that whats she is there for??? right?? cook, clean, suck, cook, clean, suck

Dave Sutton's barnet · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:11 pm

Montreal Wanderer wrote:

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:

I'm not being contrary enough to say that we didn't do things well under Sam, but the constant harping on about How Everything Was Better In The Old Days comes over like a cross between the tap room and the nursing home.

Here's some uncomfortable suggestions; y'all can do with them as you please.

1. Rarely a man with great fondness of (or success in) the January window, Allardyce would have struggled to keep us up had he inherited the situation Megson did.

Back in my day, Sonny, I'm sure journalistic use of prepositions was better. They might have been fond of flowing football, but I think they had a greater fondness for winning. Harumph!

I'll pay professional attention to my posts when you start to pay me for them. Deal?

Montreal Wanderer · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:23 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:

Montreal Wanderer wrote:

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:

I'm not being contrary enough to say that we didn't do things well under Sam, but the constant harping on about How Everything Was Better In The Old Days comes over like a cross between the tap room and the nursing home.

Here's some uncomfortable suggestions; y'all can do with them as you please.

1. Rarely a man with great fondness of (or success in) the January window, Allardyce would have struggled to keep us up had he inherited the situation Megson did.

Back in my day, Sonny, I'm sure journalistic use of prepositions was better. They might have been fond of flowing football, but I think they had a greater fondness for winning. Harumph!

I'll pay professional attention to my posts when you start to pay me for them. Deal?

Good point! However, I'll pass being a fixed income retiree who knows everything was better fifty years ago.

boltonboris · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:07 pm

Why didn't he just rent an apartment in Manchester like the rest of them do? Plenty to do there.

Or maybe he's just a PWB who's wife said "No, you're staying in the club owned hotel in that shit retail park until I come to keep my eye on you.

BWFC_Insane · **Posted:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:22 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:

Some fair points, but I tire of the rose-tinted view of the Allardyce era and the frequently concurrent knocking of the current set-up. There were games under Sam in which our half-arsed players languidly chased shadows; you'd now think we were 10-foot tin supermen winning every challenge. There were terrible runs in which we couldn't win so much as a corner, AND the football was terrible: a sort of Megson-Coyle mash-up of the worst kind. And I hate to think what would have been said about the man-management genius of either the incumbent or his predecessor had he laid off legends like Okocha without even the chance to wave farewell.

Yes, it's sad that Tim Ream was a bit lonely. It's worrying that he didn't have the wherewithal to ask somebody about it.

As for Allardyce, there's good and bad in every era, despite the tendency to paint everything as black or white. I'm not being contrary enough to say that we didn't do things well under Sam, but the constant harping on about How Everything Was Better In The Old Days comes over like a cross between the tap room and the nursing home.

Here's some uncomfortable suggestions; y'all can do with them as you please.

1. Rarely a man with great fondness of (or success in) the January window, Allardyce would have struggled to keep us up had he inherited the situation Megson did.

2. Given the financial constraints Coyle is now under, Allardyce would have walked out. In fact, come to think of it, when times weren't nearly so hard he did so anyway. So much for the golden era.

To be fair did Sam not initially work under far greater financial constraints, in our first couple of seasons back in the premiership, than Coyle has had to? I seem to remember his only buy in the summer upon our return was 800K on Henrik Pedersen.....

And as far as January windows go, let's not forget when we were what, second bottom and he pulled off Laville as the season saving signing....

You're right nothing was perfect, but I do think he set the blueprint for keeping a club like us in the league. Yes he wanted to spend silly money and risk the clubs future, and left us with no youth setup or any long term stability, but his approach to games, and backroom staff are still a model for me.

Tim Ream - We owe him a honeymoon.

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