Time to go (2)

Worthy4England · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:22 am

I know there's a time to go thread, but it's a bit owd, in terms of its poll, so I think we need a new one.

Here goes.

Salford Trotter · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:32 am

I doubt we can survive but there's no point in changing the manager now so let's focus on getting as many points as we can and hope beyond hope it's enough.

Worthy4England · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:34 am

Salford Trotter wrote:

I doubt we can survive but there's no point in changing the manager now so let's focus on getting as many points as we can and hope beyond hope it's enough.

Understand that perspective - would you get rid when his Contract expires?

Gravedigger · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:54 am

Slim hope for survival, but if the worst comes to the worst might be he'll be a better Championship manager and bounce us up again. Trouble is, who would replace him if we did get rid? Fingers crossed. But if we do survive then we'll have to consider his future involvement. For a number of seasons I've always said about the exciting seasons we have, but last and this seasons have been abject misery and OC has had this time to settle a team in but he just seems to fall over regularly. Today at post-match he spoke about Man City's goalie being world class as though that was the reason we lost. Our back line was a shambles with players going walkabout and there was a definite couldn't care less attitude which Shearer and Hansen taking great delight in pointing out where our players were, where they should have been and it's no wonder we leak goals. But they got it right, so why can't OC see that?

Salford Trotter · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:55 am

Worthy4England wrote:

Salford Trotter wrote:

I doubt we can survive but there's no point in changing the manager now so let's focus on getting as many points as we can and hope beyond hope it's enough.

Understand that perspective - would you get rid when his Contract expires?

I genuinely feel he is setting the right foundations at the club with a focus on youth but his tactical shortcomings in the first half of the season have cost us dearly. If we survive then we have a chance of building something special, if we're relegated then he's probably gone

FaninOz · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:52 am

I've voted NO as he has and continues to prove himself to be a naive person tactically and doesn't appear to be able to motivate or lead the team. He should have gone before Christmas. The question asked was should he be manger not should we get rid of him, even though the Thread Title is different.

BUT there is no point in getting rid now as there are so few games left to play that the disruption involved and the likelyhood of not being able to get any decent manager to take over a elegation fodder team at this time would be counterproductive.

So we have to keep him at present and hope that lady luck gives us the points that we need despite his "leadership" (lack of) and management. Also, he may be more successful in the Championship and at least prevent a double relegation which to be honest is my greatest fear.

Peter Thompson · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:36 am

He should have gone in November, he should go now and even if we somehow manage to stay up he should go in the summer. He's not good enough to manage in the premierleague and he's not well liked by the fans, despite what some people say - he's very naive in every aspect of football management in fact he's clueless

I've said it before and I'll say it again what exactly are Coyle's strengths as a manager ?

bedwetter2 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:50 am

He should go now on the basis that he is doing more harm than good. Do not replace him until the end of the season, instead give specific instructions to an existing member of staff (Lee?, Henry?) to pick the team/formation best proven to work and to not change it unless injuries force a change. This would be the responsibility of Gartside who may not want it but he or Davies ( Eddie, not Kevin!) should now be poking their noses into team affairs to understand just why things are as they are. Training included.
We are down anyway and a strongly consistent approach to selection would show whether there is any spark left in the squad.

Lord Kangana · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:51 am

He's doing the majority of the job he was asked to do, ie rescue us from the financial train wreck of the last regime. Anyone who's good with figures will note that whilst Coyle is in profit on his dealings, the income from player sales does not match outlay from the likes of Elmander/Shittu/Taylor/Cahill etc. They represent a substantial, irrecoverable loss to the club. He (or appears to be) replacing these "assets" with more salebale versions. ANd reducing the wage and age of the squad. So far so good.

I have no idea why he didn't stick with the formations that worked in the early part of this year, and I've no idea why we win comfortably one week, then lose miserably for several weeks after. That has me as baffled and frustrated as the next man.

On balance, I don't know of any worthwhile replacement who is willing to work under the constraints of the first paragraph, yet has the demonstrable ability to remedy the second. Its still my belief that the board are, and will, stick with their man. Regardless of our polls.

CrazyHorse · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:29 pm

Peter Thompson wrote:

He should have gone in November, he should go now and even if we somehow manage to stay up he should go in the summer. He's not good enough to manage in the premierleague and he's not well liked by the fans, despite what some people say - he's very naive in every aspect of football management in fact he's clueless

I've said it before and I'll say it again what exactly are Coyle's strengths as a manager ?

This, this and this.
Owen Coyle should not be Bolton's manager. In fact he should never be allowed to manage another club ever again. I wouldn't even wish this useless twt on West Ham.

CAPSLOCK · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:33 pm

Salford Trotter wrote:

Worthy4England wrote:

Salford Trotter wrote:

I doubt we can survive but there's no point in changing the manager now so let's focus on getting as many points as we can and hope beyond hope it's enough.

Understand that perspective - would you get rid when his Contract expires?

I genuinely feel he is setting the right foundations at the club with a focus on youth but his tactical shortcomings in the first half of the season have cost us dearly. If we survive then we have a chance of building something special, if we're relegated then he's probably gone

Wigan was a couple of weeks ago

As was Norwich

He's a fcuking cockend and I reckon we'd have more chance of surviving without him

Completely out of his depth

Stubborn beyond belief

Alienating players by the day

Ianmooreslovechild · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:35 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:

He's doing the majority of the job he was asked to do, ie rescue us from the financial train wreck of the last regime. Anyone who's good with figures will note that whilst Coyle is in profit on his dealings, the income from player sales does not match outlay from the likes of Elmander/Shittu/Taylor/Cahill etc. They represent a substantial, irrecoverable loss to the club. He (or appears to be) replacing these "assets" with more salebale versions. ANd reducing the wage and age of the squad. So far so good.

I have no idea why he didn't stick with the formations that worked in the early part of this year, and I've no idea why we win comfortably one week, then lose miserably for several weeks after. That has me as baffled and frustrated as the next man.

On balance, I don't know of any worthwhile replacement who is willing to work under the constraints of the first paragraph, yet has the demonstrable ability to remedy the second. Its still my belief that the board are, and will, stick with their man. Regardless of our polls.

All quite correct but the damning thing about coyle is the way he seems to be almost deliberately undermining what bit of confidence any player may get by swapping things around with no real clear plan of how it's going to work.Moo and Tuncay were the fall guys again yesterday and they have been doing ok.Leaving Moo out was essentially surrendering midfield playing mavis wide right nullifies one of our few attacking options and bringing Knight back in left us with two slow centre halves.Even by his usual low standards Knight was awful yesterday. 2 0 was incredibly flattering. How can players gain belief when their manager shows no belief(except in interviews where it rings increasingly hollow) or consistency.He may be balancing the books,he may have brought in some potential but beyond that no one can have any confidence in his man management or decision making on the pitch where ultimately it really matters.

I've reached the point where i'd rather he went because he's driving me nuts :crazy:

CAPSLOCK · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:36 pm

Bogdan,
Steinnson, Ream , Wheater, Ricketts
Myachi, NRC, Muamba, Petrov
Davies
Ngog

We then have a chance

But we won't see that team

Cos he's a prick

CAPSLOCK · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:37 pm

Oh aye, and even if I subscribed to the view he was getting 98% of the job right, it'd still be like the chef buying all the right ingredients at great prices, then burning them all

Fcuking pointless

Lord Kangana · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:38 pm

Not a very good analogy.

You mean like the chef with a quarter of the budget of his predecessor who is still shit.

Hoboh · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:40 pm

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Slim hope for survival, but if the worst comes to the worst might be he'll be a better Championship manager and bounce us up again. Trouble is, who would replace him if we did get rid?

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On balance, I don't know of any worthwhile replacement who is willing to work under the constraints of the first paragraph, yet has the demonstrable ability to remedy the second. Its still my belief that the board are, and will, stick with their man. Regardless of our polls

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I genuinely feel he is setting the right foundations at the club with a focus on youth but his tactical shortcomings in the first half of the season have cost us dearly. If we survive then we have a chance of building something special

Clutching at straws or what? :roll:

Ianmooreslovechild · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:41 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:

Not a very good analogy.

You mean like the chef with a quarter of the budget of his predecessor who is still shit.

Actually I'd say the analogy holds.Even with money for the best ingredients you still have to know how to cook them and even with cheep ingredients you can make a bosting meal. See Swansea/Norwich/WBA etc

Lord Kangana · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:44 pm

Not true at all. You give me a massive budget, I'll give you a better meal. Someone with no skills will f*ck up both the cheap and expensive ingredients.

thebish · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:44 pm

Ianmooreslovechild wrote:

I've reached the point where i'd rather he went because it's driving me nuts :crazy:

doctor, doctor, I have a steering wheel down my pants!!

Hoboh · **Posted:** Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:46 pm

Ianmooreslovechild wrote:

Lord Kangana wrote:

Not a very good analogy.

You mean like the chef with a quarter of the budget of his predecessor who is still shit.

Actually I'd say the analogy holds.Even with money for the best ingredients you still have to know how to cook them and even with cheep ingredients you can make a bosting meal. See Swansea/Norwich/WBA etc

If Coyle were a chef he'd think of himself as one of these arty farty types who produce works of art on a plate, with fcuk all substance!!

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