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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:46 pm 
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ok, so it's confirmed... he's ready to start against Fulham tomorrow... good news.


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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:48 am 
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Back in the goals! Seriously needs to play a big part in the run-in, Ngog works hard but Klasnic is our only goalscorer!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:31 pm 
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I am in the camp that says Klasnic should be playing... but that camp is surrounded by the 4-5-1 army who are taking no prisoners.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:32 pm 
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We really are in a catch 22 situation.

We all want to play 4-5-1, which means 1 striker.

Play Klasnic and you get nobody up front holding the ball up and outting effort in. Bu youll get the odd goal.

Play Ngog and you get a great footballer who will help the team but get no goals.

Ideally you want them playing together, but that means 4-4-2.

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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:36 pm 
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keveh wrote:
We really are in a catch 22 situation.

We all want to play 4-5-1, which means 1 striker.

Play Klasnic and you get nobody up front holding the ball up and outting effort in. Bu youll get the odd goal.

Play Ngog and you get a great footballer who will help the team but get no goals.

Ideally you want them playing together, but that means 4-4-2.


Yep. That sums it up.


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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:37 pm 
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With'chungy and holden, it might just work to play him. Not with the current midfielders.


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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:38 pm 
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The Axman wrote:
keveh wrote:
We really are in a catch 22 situation.

We all want to play 4-5-1, which means 1 striker.

Play Klasnic and you get nobody up front holding the ball up and outting effort in. Bu youll get the odd goal.

Play Ngog and you get a great footballer who will help the team but get no goals.

Ideally you want them playing together, but that means 4-4-2.


Yep. That sums it up.


answer is simple... 3-5-2 :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:41 pm 
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I would be tempted to pla 4-4-2 at home with Ngog dropping in to an almost AMC role.

Away we definitely need Ngog starting on his own to relieve pressure.

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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:02 pm 
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Do we need to relieve pressure against Villa, WBA, and Stoke?


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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:04 pm 
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Its not about relieving pressure, its about the fact we don't have a good enough midfield to play 4-4-2 in many games.

It is a hard situation with our only real consistent goal threat marginalised. Course needs plotting carefully, though thats what we pay Coyle to do.


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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:10 pm 
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We pay him? He doesn't do it for free??


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:16 pm 
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But back to the point. If we play Pratley, of course the midfield isn't good enough. But can't we get a decent midfield together now Miyaichi is available. Surely we have four footballers who can both pass the ball upfield, deliver crosses from wide, and mobile and stong enough to provide supporting cover for the back four. Surely?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:20 pm 
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The Axman wrote:
But back to the point. If we play Pratley, of course the midfield isn't good enough. But can't we get a decent midfield together now Miyaichi is available. Surely we have four footballers who can both pass the ball upfield, deliver crosses from wide, and mobile and stong enough to provide supporting cover for the back four. Surely?


Aye well, go on then, name them.....


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:24 pm 
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uhmm er. That's Coyle's job isn't it?


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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:26 pm 
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The Axman wrote:
uhmm er. That's Coyle's job isn't it?


Well you put the question up as to "surely we can get a good enough midfield out" to play 4-4-2. So what dya suggest?


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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:28 pm 
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The Axman wrote:
But back to the point. If we play Pratley, of course the midfield isn't good enough. But can't we get a decent midfield together now Miyaichi is available. Surely we have four footballers who can both pass the ball upfield, deliver crosses from wide, and mobile and stong enough to provide supporting cover for the back four. Surely?


You either have 2 CDMs (Muamba and NRC) or 2 ACMs (Pratters, M.Davies) or one of each.

I think the problem is that at home we either play against a much better team who may match us up in formation and outplay us, or we play a lesser team who stuffs the midfield away from home. This is my explanation for us doing slightly better away this season. Away from home you're going to face teams that are a lot more attacking, and less likely to stuff the midfield.

I think the Klazmeister coming on for a cameo against QPR, was perfect. Away from home it could work, how would you play him? Alongside Ngog?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:36 pm 
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thebish wrote:
answer is simple... 3-5-2 :wink:


Wigan play 3-4-3, let's try that!

Ream Wheater Ricketts
Ryo NRC Muamba Petrov
M.Davies Ngog Sordell

Without the ball it'd be like a 5-4-1.

Not sure Klazza would have the legs to be one of the forwards though.


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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
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Just because One asks the question don't necessarily mean you've got the right answer.
But to answer AW first - Yes, up alongside Ngog, maybe with Ngog dropping off him a bit.
BWFCi how about Mavies, NRC, Muamba, and Miyaichi


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:39 pm 
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Armchair Wanderer wrote:
thebish wrote:
answer is simple... 3-5-2 :wink:


Wigan play 3-4-3, let's try that!

Ream Wheater Ricketts
Ryo NRC Muamba Petrov
M.Davies Ngog Sordell

Without the ball it'd be like a 5-4-1.

Not sure Klazza would have the legs to be one of the forwards though.


Don't think he needs the legs. He could camp out on his deckchair in their box, or just do a few well executed runs into said box. He doesn't have to gallop all over the pitch like a demented racehorse.


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 Post subject: Re: klasnic
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The Axman wrote:
Armchair Wanderer wrote:
thebish wrote:
answer is simple... 3-5-2 :wink:


Wigan play 3-4-3, let's try that!

Ream Wheater Ricketts
Ryo NRC Muamba Petrov
M.Davies Ngog Sordell

Without the ball it'd be like a 5-4-1.

Not sure Klazza would have the legs to be one of the forwards though.


Don't think he needs the legs. He could camp out on his deckchair in their box, or just do a few well executed runs into said box. He doesn't have to gallop all over the pitch like a demented racehorse.

Haha. I mean, if you're playing 3 forwards you need some of them to get involved in the midfield somewhat.


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