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that moxey is a horrible c*nt, so well pleased for him like. he will feel the wrath of steve (morgan) soon hopefully!

thing is, as shit as steve bruce is, he has an excellent record against us i think?


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....In my mind.. that's the Wolves song.. and part of the reason I detest them so much.. that and their moron supporters trying to attack Lofty ...

The Wolves job is made for him ...

believe me there are 100's more reasons.

My dad loathed them. Right to the point where he wouldn't let the TV stay on if the Beverley Sisters appeared on it, just coz one was married to Billy Wright.

There is nowt like a Bowtoner with a grudge.


My first experience of Wolves fans was me and my mate, about 10 at the time, cowering in the Lever End, shitting ourselves as their lot ran across the pitch from the embankment and started lobbing all sorts, including the St John's benches at us. They'd already been promoted and we needed to win to be in with a shout (was one of the Greaves seasons in which we missed out by one place). Can't remember if it was John Richards or Kenny Hibbert that had scored for them.

Anyway - horrible bunch.

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Terry Connor named Wolves manager until end of season

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Wolves have promoted assistant boss Terry Connor to manager until the end of the season.
The club sacked Mick McCarthy on 13 February in the wake of the previous day's 5-1 home defeat by Black Country rivals West Brom.
Wolves turned to Connor after Walter Smith, Alan Curbishley and Brain McDermott ruled themselves out.
"This is a decisive step which creates certainty. The players are fully behind it," Wolves owner Steve Morgan said.
"Since we made the difficult decision to part company with Mick, we have been through a diligent process of assessing potential candidates.
"Having spoken to a number of people we have drawn that process to a close and myself and the board are unanimous that Terry is the right man to lead the club for the remainder of the season.
"As a club, whether that be staff or supporters, we now all need to unite behind Terry and the players and secure as many points as possible over the next 13 games."
Connor has been at Wolves for 13 years and has served under four different managers.
More to follow.

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Megson didn't rule himself out then?

I'm surprised, perhaps he was waiting on the England job. You know, after winnining it in '66 and then getting us to the semis in '90 and '96.

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To be fair to Megson he probably didn't want the Wolves job again seeing as he had that successful spell as manager for them in the early 2000s. He won the Premiership three times with them, the FA cup once and got to the final of the Champions League two seasons on the bounce losing to Barcelona both times.

All this while serving with the army in Iraq, secretly being the original Stig and single-handedly resolving the troubles in Northern Ireland.

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Outstanding move by the dogheads. :lmfao:

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a salutary lesson...

we're no more attractive to an incoming manager than wolves - maybe less so considering our debt...

it shows the paucity of talent willing/available to clubs like ours should we have sacked Coyle...

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thebish wrote:
a salutary lesson...

we're no more attractive to an incoming manager than wolves - maybe less so considering our debt...

it shows the paucity of talent willing/available to clubs like ours should we have sacked Coyle...


You're probably right but here's an idea. Maybe Mick got the best out of that set of players.

Maybe our players are better and have been underperforming (i.e. played in the wrong formation).


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thebish wrote:
a salutary lesson...

we're no more attractive to an incoming manager than wolves - maybe less so considering our debt...

it shows the paucity of talent willing/available to clubs like ours should we have sacked Coyle...


Did Potato Head give them the bum's rush, btw? Or wasn't he asked?

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To be fair to Megson he probably didn't want the Wolves job again seeing as he had that successful spell as manager for them in the early 2000s. He won the Premiership three times with them, the FA cup once and got to the final of the Champions League two seasons on the bounce losing to Barcelona both times.

All this while serving with the army in Iraq, secretly being the original Stig and single-handedly resolving the troubles in Northern Ireland.


Fair play to him on the Good Friday Agreement though. I can almost forgive Shittu for that one.

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a salutary lesson...

we're no more attractive to an incoming manager than wolves - maybe less so considering our debt...

it shows the paucity of talent willing/available to clubs like ours should we have sacked Coyle...


Did Potato Head give them the bum's rush, btw? Or wasn't he asked?


he (allegedly) turned them down cos they only offered him the job til the end of the season... he reckoned he has nowt to prove and was insulted by the idea of a trial period! he's waiting for summat better to come along... sheff weds?

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thebish wrote:
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a salutary lesson...

we're no more attractive to an incoming manager than wolves - maybe less so considering our debt...

it shows the paucity of talent willing/available to clubs like ours should we have sacked Coyle...


Did Potato Head give them the bum's rush, btw? Or wasn't he asked?


he (allegedly) turned them down cos they only offered him the job til the end of the season... he reckoned he has nowt to prove and was insulted by the idea of a trial period! he's waiting for summat better to come along... sheff weds?


Wigan again?

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 Post subject: Re: Wolves sack manager Mick McCarthy
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thebish wrote:
a salutary lesson...

we're no more attractive to an incoming manager than wolves - maybe less so considering our debt...

it shows the paucity of talent willing/available to clubs like ours should we have sacked Coyle...


The salutory lesson shows nothing of the kind, except to anyone trying to make an "I told you so" point.

What it shows is that a different football club, may or may not have offered terms which various people found particularly unappealing. That could range from the above mentioned "part time basis, until the end of the season" to "you need to cut the wage bill by 75%"...and all ranges in-between.

I would happily concur that the talent pool out there is limited, but then again that applies to most Clubs in the division. I doubt that Mourhino would truck up to Arsenal (for example). I wouldn't immediately have associated Mark Hughes with Fulham (or QPR).

Who would have thought that Brendan Rogers or Paul Lambert would be doing pretty well this season - Lambert was managing Colchester the season before last, Brendan Rogers, sacked by Reading two years ago.

Worrying about the replacement, when the incumbent is going to stuff you anyhow, is silly.


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Worthy4England wrote:
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a salutary lesson...

we're no more attractive to an incoming manager than wolves - maybe less so considering our debt...

it shows the paucity of talent willing/available to clubs like ours should we have sacked Coyle...


The salutory lesson shows nothing of the kind, except to anyone trying to make an "I told you so" point.

What it shows is that a different football club, may or may not have offered terms which various people found particularly unappealing. That could range from the above mentioned "part time basis, until the end of the season" to "you need to cut the wage bill by 75%"...and all ranges in-between.

I would happily concur that the talent pool out there is limited, but then again that applies to most Clubs in the division. I doubt that Mourhino would truck up to Arsenal (for example). I wouldn't immediately have associated Mark Hughes with Fulham (or QPR).

Who would have thought that Brendan Rogers or Paul Lambert would be doing pretty well this season - Lambert was managing Colchester the season before last, Brendan Rogers, sacked by Reading two years ago.

Worrying about the replacement, when the incumbent is going to stuff you anyhow, is silly.


I didn't allege anything certain - it's impossible to know...

but it's also silly to splash millions on a replacement if the end result is the same...

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thebish wrote:
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a salutary lesson...

we're no more attractive to an incoming manager than wolves - maybe less so considering our debt...

it shows the paucity of talent willing/available to clubs like ours should we have sacked Coyle...


The salutory lesson shows nothing of the kind, except to anyone trying to make an "I told you so" point.

What it shows is that a different football club, may or may not have offered terms which various people found particularly unappealing. That could range from the above mentioned "part time basis, until the end of the season" to "you need to cut the wage bill by 75%"...and all ranges in-between.

I would happily concur that the talent pool out there is limited, but then again that applies to most Clubs in the division. I doubt that Mourhino would truck up to Arsenal (for example). I wouldn't immediately have associated Mark Hughes with Fulham (or QPR).

Who would have thought that Brendan Rogers or Paul Lambert would be doing pretty well this season - Lambert was managing Colchester the season before last, Brendan Rogers, sacked by Reading two years ago.

Worrying about the replacement, when the incumbent is going to stuff you anyhow, is silly.


I didn't allege anything certain - it's impossible to know...

but it's also silly to splash millions on a replacement if the end result is the same...


And that's the crux of the matter.

If you believe that Coyle is getting the best out of this group of players, signing the best he can with what we have available in cash and playing the correct tactics etc. then you may be inclined to think no-one could do any better.

Last year, I thought he did better than I expected with the resources we had available and wouldn't have contemplated removing him at the end of last season.

This season, it's not a view I agree with - as I don't think he is doing the best we can with the resources we have available.


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Worthy4England wrote:
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Worthy4England wrote:
thebish wrote:
a salutary lesson...

we're no more attractive to an incoming manager than wolves - maybe less so considering our debt...

it shows the paucity of talent willing/available to clubs like ours should we have sacked Coyle...


The salutory lesson shows nothing of the kind, except to anyone trying to make an "I told you so" point.

What it shows is that a different football club, may or may not have offered terms which various people found particularly unappealing. That could range from the above mentioned "part time basis, until the end of the season" to "you need to cut the wage bill by 75%"...and all ranges in-between.

I would happily concur that the talent pool out there is limited, but then again that applies to most Clubs in the division. I doubt that Mourhino would truck up to Arsenal (for example). I wouldn't immediately have associated Mark Hughes with Fulham (or QPR).

Who would have thought that Brendan Rogers or Paul Lambert would be doing pretty well this season - Lambert was managing Colchester the season before last, Brendan Rogers, sacked by Reading two years ago.

Worrying about the replacement, when the incumbent is going to stuff you anyhow, is silly.


I didn't allege anything certain - it's impossible to know...

but it's also silly to splash millions on a replacement if the end result is the same...


And that's the crux of the matter.

If you believe that Coyle is getting the best out of this group of players, signing the best he can with what we have available in cash and playing the correct tactics etc. then you may be inclined to think no-one could do any better.

Last year, I thought he did better than I expected with the resources we had available and wouldn't have contemplated removing him at the end of last season.

This season, it's not a view I agree with - as I don't think he is doing the best we can with the resources we have available.


I don't think he's doing the best with the resources we have... (I don't think I've ever said that)

but...

1. I still think he has the skillz and nouse to keep us up - or, maybe the players themselves (as has happened before) will pick us up by our bootstraps - we have the quality (I know I am vastly outnumbered - and who knows? maybe I'm wrong! only time will tell.)
2. I don't have the confidence that you seem to have that the dross on offer as alternatives would do any better.

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thebish wrote:
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a salutary lesson...

we're no more attractive to an incoming manager than wolves - maybe less so considering our debt...

it shows the paucity of talent willing/available to clubs like ours should we have sacked Coyle...


The salutory lesson shows nothing of the kind, except to anyone trying to make an "I told you so" point.

What it shows is that a different football club, may or may not have offered terms which various people found particularly unappealing. That could range from the above mentioned "part time basis, until the end of the season" to "you need to cut the wage bill by 75%"...and all ranges in-between.

I would happily concur that the talent pool out there is limited, but then again that applies to most Clubs in the division. I doubt that Mourhino would truck up to Arsenal (for example). I wouldn't immediately have associated Mark Hughes with Fulham (or QPR).

Who would have thought that Brendan Rogers or Paul Lambert would be doing pretty well this season - Lambert was managing Colchester the season before last, Brendan Rogers, sacked by Reading two years ago.

Worrying about the replacement, when the incumbent is going to stuff you anyhow, is silly.


I didn't allege anything certain - it's impossible to know...

but it's also silly to splash millions on a replacement if the end result is the same...


And that's the crux of the matter.

If you believe that Coyle is getting the best out of this group of players, signing the best he can with what we have available in cash and playing the correct tactics etc. then you may be inclined to think no-one could do any better.

Last year, I thought he did better than I expected with the resources we had available and wouldn't have contemplated removing him at the end of last season.

This season, it's not a view I agree with - as I don't think he is doing the best we can with the resources we have available.


I don't think he's doing the best with the resources we have... (I don't think I've ever said that)

but...

1. I still think he has the skillz and nouse to keep us up - or, maybe the players themselves (as has happened before) will pick us up by our bootstraps - we have the quality (I know I am vastly outnumbered - and who knows? maybe I'm wrong! only time will tell.)
2. I don't have the confidence that you seem to have that the dross on offer as alternatives would do any better.


1. I think he might have the skill. I'm less and less certain he has the nous.

2. I'm not entirely confident that the dross on offer would do any better, I think there's enough in the pool that would do no worse, and might do better than the dross we have.


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2. I'm not entirely confident that the dross on offer would do any better, I think there's enough in the pool that would do no worse, and might do better than the dross we have.


maybe the uncertainty of your convictions is shared by Eddie - and it's a £multimillion gamble he's not prepared to take with such odds!

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If buts and maybe's, coyle may finally be starting to get things right and if we stay up Gartside et al will look like smart enough cookies.Wolves have made massive tits of themselves and the statement made today was one of the most laughable attempts at turning a sows ear into a silk purse that I have ever read.


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2. I'm not entirely confident that the dross on offer would do any better, I think there's enough in the pool that would do no worse, and might do better than the dross we have.


maybe the uncertainty of your convictions is shared by Eddie - and it's a £multimillion gamble he's not prepared to take with such odds!


We took a gamble when we got Coyle. Unproven at anything like a top level. So it's not really about level of uncertainty of convictions in that sense - I'm absolutely convinced there's better out there - and on the same basis we "picked" Coyle, some with much better records. So in many senses, I don't think it's as big a "gamble" (money aside for a sec) as people are suggesting. Every time we replace any Manager, the same questions arise - to the point, that if you believed half the comments, we'd have been relegated the instant Allardyce left, managerless as no one would come to little owd Bolton.

When the possibility was first mooted that we might need a replacement, Hughes was free as was O'Neill. Curbishley is still free, more recently "freed" are Bruce, Warnock and McCarthy - Every single one of them has a better record than OC.

Then we get to people like Grayson - who is probably about the same level, but might provide that kick that OC seems uncapable of giving us at the minute.

On to the "money". We have no notion of what it would cost to relieve OC of his day job. We do know it would cost us £multimillions, if we get relegated, in lost TV revenues (even with the parachute payments). I'm sure ED will have done his own sums, but I'd be surprised if the cost of replacing Coyle was anything like the loss of revenue from TV rights.


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